Taking responsibility for our death is all about deep adaptation

Sue Brayne in conversation with psychotherapist and Positive Deep Adaptation facilitator Justine Corrie as part of the Living Consciously for a Better World series of interviews, which provide food for thought in this time of uncertainty, challenge and change.

Justine Corrie lived and travelled extensively in Asia in the 90’s and during 2015 and 2016 volunteered in the Jungle camp in Calais and Grande-Synthe in Dunkirk where she initiated support systems for the network of grass-roots volunteers across Europe.  She has been working as a Core Process psychotherapist since 2012 – a therapeutic model which brings together Buddhist psychology of self, transpersonal and western trauma-informed models to orient towards the person’s core state of inherent health. She is also a group facilitator and has been a Positive Deep Adaptation facilitator since September 2019 after she read Professor Jem Bendell’s paper, Deep Adaptation: A map for navigating climate tragedy.

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Stepping Beyond Inequities to Address Systemic Collapse

Sue in conversation with Dr Christine Gibson. Christine is 46 and works in three health centres on the east side of Deerfoot in Calgary, Canada, which support individuals and indigenous communities experiencing health and wellbeing inequities. Christine is also increasingly involved with the possibility of global systemic collapse and the impact that this will have on communities and cultures around the world. She has a Masters’ degree from the University of Dundee and supplementary training in trauma therapy and social innovation (systems change). In 2015 she gave a Ted Talk: Journey from Hero to Humility on the importance of listening to the needs of distressed or traumatised communities rather than pitching in with ‘medical expertise.’

Sue: Christine, can you tell me what called you to work with communities that experience inequities?

Christine: Since I was small, I have been aware of the inequities of life. This stems from my own roots. My dad grew up in a Scottish coal mining town and was working in a paper mill by the time he was sixteen.  He realised he didn’t have a chance of prosperity if he stayed there, so he emigrated to Canada where he met my mother. She came from a Ukrainian lineage. My mother’s great-great-great Ukrainian grandmother settled in Canada during 1903. But the family (on both sides) had an incredibly difficult life because of extreme racism. In the local newspapers, my ancestors were referred to as Bohunks and people used blanket statements stating they were all illiterate, smelly thieves. Really horrifying.

I think this has certainly influenced my choice of medical career and my desire to focus on working with people who are facing inequitable health issues. I started travelling when I was nineteen. I wanted to know what other communities and cultures looked like and how they lived. I’ve been to over 70 countries now, which doesn’t say much for my carbon footprint. But, for a while, I spent several weeks a year in rural Laos addressing health inequities and helping to set up better health care systems.

Sue: That must have a been a fascinating experience. How did it affect your career?

Christine: Yes, it was. The experience forged the basis for my own non-profit charity called Global Familymed Foundation, set up in 2011.  We work mainly with universities in Nepal, Ethiopia, Uganda, Tanzania, Rwanda, Kenya and Myanmar to train GPs in rural areas. 80% of people in most of these countries live outside urban areas, but 80-90% of doctors live in urban areas. So, there is a great mismatch.

My non-profit works closely with partners to see what is really needed. Mostly it’s about providing financial assistance to enable local trainee GPs to learn how to work in these rural areas. Once they spend time there and become more confident, they often get quite committed to the community. I also formed a residency programme (now called Health Equity, but formerly Global Health), which focuses on inner city health, indigenous health, and immigrant and refugee health. This developed into overseas projects supporting people who wanted to work with international organisations such as Doctors Without Borders or take part in international research. We always strive to listen to needs of the community and use our expertise appropriately.

Sue: What were the main issues that you worked with?

Christine:  The impact that trauma has on individuals and on their communities. I now work in health centres in Calgary that are constructed to provide help for people experiencing complex medical and social issues. We work in interdisciplinary teams to address housing and food insecurities and psychiatric illnesses.

Personally, I focus on the area of trauma. Trauma has a lot to do with childhood experiences and inequitable levels of health care. Unless this is addressed, it creates a circular destructive pattern which just continues. I see that mental illness and structural violence are so deeply intertwined that they can’t be separated. If you don’t manage the social spectrum of what is affecting a patient, they are just going to keep presenting back with the same medical issues.

Sue: That’s so true. I believe trauma is endemic in our society, but we don’t understand the ramifications of what it does to us.

Christine: I recognise that everyone walking through the door has had a lot of adverse childhood experiences and subsequent trauma as well as the trauma of dealing with health systems and systems in general. The indigenous community, in particular, has faced a great deal of oppression. So, I do a lot of trauma work to help people to learn tools for themselves, which can also support their communities to address the traumas they have faced historically. I think historic trauma is deeply embedded in psychiatric conditions, and I don’t think that medicine has a lot of answers for this. But the roots of trauma need to be addressed. It’s amazing to see the strides my patients have made in cocreating what healing looks like when a more holistic approach is taken.

I believe unaddressed trauma and inequity is driving planetary systemic collapse. We need to learn to pull back and look at the bigger picture. Whatever happens at the individual level is happening at the community level, and this feeds into the greater global metabolism. We need to explore ways we can intervene so we can mitigate or shift what is happening on all levels.

Sue:  When you speak of systemic collapse, what are the drivers that you are specifically talking about? 

Christine: I think poverty is the biggest issue. However, I also think racism and the legacy of white supremacy play a leading part in this. To enhance my understanding of the people I work with, this year, I completed two on-line courses which I would recommend to anyone. The first was White Awake, which tackles particularities of white racial socialisation. The second course was Me and White Supremacy. I realised that even though I had all these letters after my name, I only have expertise in one very small piece of the puzzle. I may have a Masters, and supplementary training in trauma therapy and social innovation, which means I am seen as an ‘expert.’ But what I need to do is to listen to the community to find out how I can be of real help.

Sue: What do you think listening to these communities can teach those of us who live in western societies? 

Christine: I believe our understanding of indigenous practices can help us in our own suffering. Many of us are used to living at a point of privilege and experience great discomfort when this is threatened.  But unless we examine what this means and get to a deeper level of understanding, I think we are going to remain stuck in old colonial patterns and feedback loops where we continue to believe we deserve our privilege. I believe this meritocracy drags the whole planet down. But this is so traumatic to think about that we either settleup or reject what’s happening. This makes it difficult for people to move forward into the compassion and resilience that’s needed to create functional communities.

Sue: Can you explain more about what resilience means in this context.

Christine: I think we need to build resilient communities to cope with any system collapse. The more we are able to live in social engagement and compassion, the more as we as individuals can create positive responses in our community and for the whole planet.

I was drawn to Jem Bendell’s Deep Adaptation work because I believe there are multiple systems in the stage of collapse right around the world. I see the evidence through the global work I do. For example, South America and North America are really struggling to create and sustain agriculture. However, we who live in wealthy countries like Canada haven’t faced the fall-out yet – but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening.  I was caught up in the 2015 Nepal earthquake. Right afterwards India and Nepal started to scrap over water resources from the Himalayas; and India imposed an embargo on food, fuel, and medicine that lasted for months. Is there going to come a time when the US will want Canada’s water resources? Yes! But these issues are not reported in the media, so people aren’t paying attention to it.

My social innovation lens helps me to understand what’s really happening. I see it as an image of a tree being on fire, but when you pull back from this tree, then you realise that the whole forest is on fire. Everything, from our personal health to the macro level of all our planetary systems are totally intertwined. You can’t separate the tree from the forest. If we don’t understand this, we are going to be facing system collapses completely unprepared on any level on how to deal with it.

Our response to this needs to be much more than permaculture or transition towns. We need to learn how to emotionally regulate so we go beyond traumatic reactions.

Sue: I completely agree with you on this. But how do we learn to go beyond traumatic reactions when we are terrified of what we are potentially facing?

Christine. I don’t think every single community can be ready for this. But I admire Margaret Wheatley’straining because she taken on the work of Joanna Macey, and designed a programme for Warriors of the Human Spirit to create leaders who can build communities, which she calls Islands of Sanity. To her way of thinking, if there are more islands of sanity cropping up throughout the world, there might be an alternative response to a destructive traumatic reaction.

Sue: This feeds into what living consciously for a better world is all about. But, do you think this is possible during massive systemic collapse?   

Christine: Absolutely. As much as humanity is deeply capable of patterns of structural violence, we are also deeply capable of compassionate responses. And, if we view scarcity as an opportunity to double down on inequitable issues, I think there’s less chance of mitigating the suffering that has already begun. I believe that if we can work towards these islands of sanity, we can become much more deliberate and conscious around how we chose to be.

For example, I think we, as individuals and as communities, can choose to be a certain way, even as systems begin to fail. Perpetual growth and perpetual inequity are not patterns that should sustain themselves. We need to ask, ‘Is there an alternative system that is possible?’ I don’t actually know if there is. But I was in rural Kyrgyzstan not so long ago and I saw how lots of nomadic people are living as they have done for millennia. They live in complete concert with the natural world and with their animals. It’s a totally interwoven existence. It’s not oppressive either, between species at least. It’s about holding deep respect for other species and for the land. We might call Kyrgyzstan a developing country, but, in order for us to continue –  if we are to – the world may need to look to people like this to remember what it means to have this interconnectedness. This is certainly a version of how humanity could be less affected by climate chaos.

We come from a culture that is utterly self-absorbed. The western mind is so linear in the way it thinks and approaches things. We have to step beyond this to explore how we approach the increasingly pressing question of systemic collapse.

Sue: How do you see your work developing from now on?

Christine: I have no idea of what the second half of my life is going to look like. I see myself as having experienced the peak of comfort – and being fortunate enough to hold a social position to be able to experience it the way I have. I believe part of my work is now recognising how our own human existence is complicit within the entire planetary systems.

To me, this means re-examining our entire social position and personal participation. I don’t necessarily hold specific hope for myself or for my community, but I do recognise that life will continue in some form. Humanity has had a great run at it, and even if there is to be human extinction, I believe we are moving the greater metabolism to a different level of understanding. Maybe the next evolution of sentient beings will be able create a greater civilization than we have presently, but I have no idea what this might look like.  All I know is that I feel privileged to have been along for the ride. So, personally, I am experiencing these changes with great joy, curiosity and humility. And, professionally, I believe we physicians need to the same,

We have been deeply complicit with the pharmaceutical industry and allowed them to provide medical evidence for us which has driven the curriculum of what we learn as doctors. We have forgotten other ways of healing, which, for centuries, have been part of indigenous communities and ourancestral knowing. As a profession, we have forgotten far too much about what healing means. It’s time to address this.


Get skilled up for climate crisis!

Conversations about Living Consciously for a Better World provide practical skills, resilience and supportive information in this time of uncertainty, challenge and change.

Sue Brayne in conversation with Pam Candea, CEO, climate activist and group work facilitator.

Pam Candea is CEO of The Surefoot Effect, a community interest company which equips people, communities and organisations with skills for sustainability and resilience. Its main focus is working with businesses and communities to support them to take action to lessen the impacts of the climate crisis and to promote social justice.  

Sue: Pam, what got you interested in climate issues?

Pam: ‘Even as a teenager I was an environmental activist. I was horrified by how our rivers and lakes in Michigan state where I grew up had become so polluted. They had literally turned into fire hazards.

During the 1980s I ended up working in the IT industry, and this took me to the UK in the early 80’s. Yet, all the time, I was increasingly alarmed by the warnings that James Hansen, Director of NASA Goddard  Institute for Space Studies, and other scientists like him, were giving us about the impacts of climate change. I couldn’t understand why no-one was listening to him.

In 2007 I decided to retrain in environmental architecture because I wanted to build an eco-house. I thought eco-housing could be the answer to climate change. But I soon realised it wasn’t nearly enough. This realisation turned my attention to climate activism. I wanted to get as many people as possible engaged with climate change. So, I began working with community groups who were focused on climate change.

Sue: Can you explain what The Surefoot Effect offers.

Pam:  We established The Surefoot Effect in 2007 to work in value-based ways with organisations to understand what was right for them, but equally to draw attention to the fact we were fast approaching a climate emergency.

Sue: How do you deliver this work?

Pam: We focus on group work but have also recently created some online materials through European Union Erasmus + programmes. I think it’s important to understand and identify how insular and individual we have become, certainly in Western cultures. There are very few opportunities for people to come together as an effective group. Yes, there’s loads of community groups out there, but most are dominated by one or two strong characters. This may be okay for the rest of the group when things are running smoothly. But it’s not okay when things become difficult. How we work together as a group becomes incredibility important. So, my job is about helping groups to understand the importance of coming together cohesively to tackle the issues important to them.

Group Work

The Surefoot Effect runs various workshops and trainings for people to work together effectively.  One of our programmes is carbon conversations, a series of 6 workshops, which give people the time and space to look at what changes they can make in their own lives, and what changes they may be able to instigate in their communities. We also provide facilitator training for people to run these groups, our climate justice workshop, and to do other work with groups.  For me, the most essential thing is that people learn to work well together and learn how to talk about difficult issues with others. Following these workshops, I am always encouraged when participants feed back to me how they had previously found it almost impossible to talk to their family about climate change, or how to tell them that they no longer wanted to eat meat or fly anymore. But now they had the skills to do this in a non-confrontational way. It makes a huge difference.


Through recent Erasmus + programmes we created a platform showcasing projects around the world helping to address the climate crisis:  A Tale of Two Futures; And Illustrated Climate which created a graphic novel and an e-learning programme to help people learn about the climate emergency and potential actions to ameliorate the risks.

Sue: Can you outline what these skills are?

Pam: I believe we have evolved somehow into a society that is lacking in emotional intelligence. It’s as if we don’t even have a language to express ourselves anymore. So, I am a fierce believer in helping people develop honest communication skills, through active listening, becoming aware of how we are feeling in the moment, and recognising the power of working collectively, collaboratively, supported by a group

Active listening

Active listening is about getting used to listening to others. This means being fully present with the other person – rather than composing in your mind what you are going to say next while the person is still talking, or breaking in when, for example, they mention they have a dog, and you want to tell them about the dog you had as a child.

Active listening is also about giving the other person the time to say what they want to say and creating space to pause and be silent with each other, while you mindfully consider what you might say next. So, it’s really connecting with each other and being present.

Becoming aware of and expressing what you are feeling

Good communication skills are also about the ability to identify and voice how you are feeling emotionally. This means learning how to share your feelings with others and being able to receive it when others share how they are feeling with you. Then to sit with what’s been said without brushing it aside or trying to fix it, and acknowledging what you feel and what others feel is valid.

 Recognising the power of the group

The third skill is learning to work together as a group and recognise how working in a supportive group toward a goal is more rewarding than individual striving – and competing. I think we really struggle with this; it’s another thing that’s been lost. We have become so individually focused that we fail seeing the power of group cohesion.  Working together means creatively building on each other’s views and ideas without feeling threatened.

Sue: The work you do is really on the front line because you are helping people to confront what climate crisis may do to their communities. But, do you even think you are trying to help people when we’ve reached a time when we may be almost beyond help?

Pam: Working in this area certainly can take its toll.  A few years ago I was guiding a group in a future visioning exercise of what the world will be like in 2050 if we have implemented all the sustainability measures we speak about. People drew beautiful pictures and we presented them back to each other. Someone asked me, ’Do you really believe we will get to this?’ I really struggled to answer their question. Knowing what I know about climate crisis, I couldn’t say yes. So, I said, ‘I want to be able to say I have done everything I can to get to this vision.’ Taking personal responsibility, for me, is a vital part of coping with what is happening to our planet.

I had to take a break for six months after this particular workshop. I needed to deeply question my motives of asking people to make small changes such as doing more recycling or establishing community gardens when I realise that the action needed was, and still is, enormous and infrastructure related. In my heart of hearts, it all felt too late and useless without taking big actions such as taxing jet fuel.

Sue: How did taking this break inform the work you do now?

 Pam: It helped me to focus on working with resilience. I don’t for one minute believe we are going to be able to continue our relatively idyllic existence, but I hope that by using good communication skills and developing resilience we can come out of whatever happens better than when we went into it. Developing resilience is confronting the fact that when we experience on-going stress or a huge shock, we can either break down or break even by clawing our way back to where we were, or we can breakthrough using the adversity to springboard to something better. So, there is always the option of hope – that’s the breakthrough. We have to keep engaged. It’s not okay to accept the status quo. All of us need to participate in finding ways of making things work for us in the best way possible.

Sue:  How do you keep moving forward in the face of what is happening to our world right now?

Pam: I am really struck by the images of people dragging an Extinction Rebellion protestor off the top of tube train in London. Some people started to attack the protestor, while others tried to protect him. Someone posted the footage onto the internet, asking the question, ‘What will happen when there are food shortages?’  If we don’t know how to work together as a group, how to share and think about what’s best for the whole group, we are just going to see more and more of those scenes.

For me, the question of how to deal with potential conflict is about building skills for connection, active listening, being able to express and receive emotions and working as an effective group.

I find I am now much more aware of what really important to me. I question how much time I need to spend on certain areas of my life. Is this something that is going to bring joy to me or those close to me?  It is going to help bring about change in the world or is it just another noisy distraction on the side? I am astonished at how many noisy distractions on the side there can be.

I also question how much time I need to spend worrying about things that at the end of the day aren’t that important. If it doesn’t contribute to joy or contribute to ameliorating large global issues, it really isn’t important at all.

When I started working in this area, I used to think ‘maybe I will figure out a way to change what’s happening on my own.’ Then I began to think, ‘maybe someone I am working with will change what’s happening, and I will be a tiny help towards this.’ Now it’s ‘maybe I will do something that helps some people to suffer less.’

Sue: Yes, that’s a really big reality check. What else sustains you personally?

Pam: I am Buddhist, so for me, I find comfort in knowing that there’s a is kind of cosmic view that we are all trying to reach enlightening. We are part of a very grand cycle – the turning of the wheel, if you like – which gives us the opportunity to practice or work towards ending the suffering of all beings. We are certainly getting the practice now. If humanity is wiped out or severely decimated by climate change, I see it as another opportunity for us to practice towards reaching the state of nirvana (a transcendent state devoid of suffering or desire, and the release of karma and cycle of death and rebirth).  And I meditate to keep a focus on the present.

Sue: Do you have any other advice for us?

Pam: Yes, keep yourself informed! I believe awareness is key. I was speaking to a friend the other day who is concerned about climate change but was clearly not well informed. I asked her if she watched the news. ‘No,’ she said.

Of course, I can understand why people don’t watch the news. It can be depressing and debilitating. However, if you are not keeping tabs with what’s going on, I don’t know how you can be fully conscious of what is happening in the world, or how much many things have deteriorated.

Another thing is to look after yourself. Personally, I meditate a lot, and I like to meditate with other people, too. I do yoga as well, which helps me to feel more embodied, and I spend as much time as I can in nature. Next weekend I am spending three days with Natural Change, an organisation which provides a structured immersion in nature to restore people through connection with others, in natural surroundings, and to encourage to them towards environmentally friendly behaviours.

I believe developing skills for learning how to deeply connect with each other is the most important thing to pursue right now. Whether this happens in the form of carbon conversations or singing groups or even a Death Cafe – it doesn’t matter as long as it happens. These skills will enable us to be prepared for whatever comes our way.

Deep Adaptation: a time to come together

Beautiful grounds of Haybergill Retreat Centre

Recently I was a participant in Professor Jem Bendell’s Deep Adaptation retreat at the Haybergill Centre, Yorkshire. I was a little apprehensive before embarking on the six-hour drive from Wiltshire because I had read Jem’s deep adaptation paper, which doesn’t pull any punches predicting social unrest and financial collapse as climate crisis continues to unfold.

Yet I was deeply heartened by the experience. Not because everything is ‘going to okay’ – it isn’t in the context of climate crisis – but because of the amazing international group of people who had gathered for the retreat, each one of us committed to facing the truth about the future of our planet. Within moments of meeting, we had bonded at a profound level – all of us signed up, of course, to share our fears and anxieties of what we may be faced with, but more importantly, to collectively share our creativity and inspiration on how to find positive and productive ways to work with this uncertainty. I experienced our group as a living expression of the whole being far great than the sum of its parts.

This whole-togetherness is being expressed right this moment in the streets of capital cities  across the globe through Extinction Rebellion. Yesterday in London, for an example, someone dressed as broccoli spear was arrested alongside a rabbi who had led his congregation into Trafalgar Square to join thousands of protestors from all walks of life. The day before, an eighty-two- year-old woman was arrested alongside the young and the middle aged, parents and grandparents. But more impressive is how protestors have peacefully materialised (against much police opposition)  a mini street city with food stations, washing stations, camp sites, lost property stations and media stations to support each other, inform each other and galvanise each other to show their children and the rest of the UK how life can be lived and shared in a different way. London is buzzing with people co-operation. It’s as if the Earth put out a poster as Lord Kitchener did to recruit World War I soldiers, saying ‘Your Planet Needs YOU’

I understand that some people accuse climate crisis activists of fear-mongering and terrifying children. Yes, it is terrifying to think what may happen if we don’t turn things around. But I see all climate activists as collectively using the fury of fear to wake humanity up globally to do something about saving the planet for future generations, not to mention animal species. This not an expression of unhealthy fury, which is about controlling, terrorising, manipulating and humiliating others. This is an expression of healthy fury which enables us to stand up for ourselves, fight our corner, set boundaries and create change for the better.

Adopt a togetherness strategy

It’s about time we broke out of our repressed colonial conditioning to find far better ways to support each other as our tenuous future unfolds. We are all in this together. So, let’s stop fighting, bickering, criticising and blaming each other. Let’s start working together instead and learning from others who traditionally embrace a deeply respectful way of life. For a start, wouldn’t it be great if we all began to think in terms of how the Native American Indian Iroquois make decisions. Any decision they make takes the next sevengenerations into consideration. Now, that would be world changing.

As I point out in my book, Living fully, Dying Consciously, we need to move away from our ego-driven lives and look at things from a higher perspective. I believe we only start to do this when we begin to accept our mortality. When we know our life is finite, it makes us truly value what we have, and to do the best we possibly can while we still have breath left in our body.

Earth: a minute blue speck hanging in space

I recognise that facing death is a completely different matter to facing extinction. This takes the concept of mortality to entirely new level. But when we connect with the bigger picture of who we are, we see ourselves for what we truly are – a blink in the eye of the Universe. Look what happened when the dinosaurs and most of life on earth were wiped out. It took a while, but the planet replenished, life recalibrated and human beings thrived. In whatever way the planet transmutes through this present crisis, life will continue. It may not be in the form of life we experience at the moment, and certainly not in the vast numbers we have currently reached, which is no bad thing. But, it’s impossible to destroy consciousness. If you really want a reality check about our self-importance, spend a moment reflecting on the extraordinary and beautiful photograph taken by Voyager 1 as it passed out of our solar system on February 14th, 1990, 3.7 billion miles from earth. Our planet is a minute pale blue speck of dust almost invisible in the vast expanse of space.

Find your tribe 

My counsel to anyone struggling to make sense of the changes that are knocking at the door is to form or join a group of people who you regularly meet with; people who  are willing to be honest and open about what’s going on in the world, yet are not prepared to indulge in doomsaying (this really doesn’t help) or have the unrealistic expectation that everything will suddenly be fine. It’s about accepting the reality of what’s going on and agreeing to focus on what is inspiring for you all.

Joanna Macy and Chris Johnstone write about how much we now need to form groups in their book, Active Hope: how to face the mess we’re in without going crazy. Belonging to a group provides a foundation for courage and resilience to come to the fore so we can adapt as circumstance change, see setbacks for what they are, and find strength when times look bleak. They say, ‘When conditions are difficult having a trusted gang around us both to draw from and give to can make all the difference.’  I have experienced the same resilience and generosity of spirit when running the Death Cafes. We need to come together to connect and care for each other when we engage with unnerving and frightening situations.

Most of all, more than at any other period in human history, we need to collectively pay homage to our beautiful Mother Nature and treasure the gifts she presents to us, knowing she is part of us as we are part of her. Mother Nature lives in our bones, and what we do to her, to do to ourselves.



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